[NBLUG/talk] talk Digest, Vol 48, Issue 5
andrew raaberg
andrewraaberg at gmail.com
Fri Mar 14 22:40:57 PDT 2008
if there is uncertainty in a technology, why risk using it until more
is understood?
are the short term rewards more valuable than what 'could' be at stake?
did anyone here anything about cell phones possibly disrupting honey
bees ability to
return home?
On Fri, Mar 14, 2008 at 12:00 PM, <talk-request at nblug.org> wrote:
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> 1. Re: EMF/EMR (was Re: Sebastopol Downtown WiFi (gandalf at sonic.net)
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> 3. Re: Sebastopol (Molly Fisher)
> 4. Sebastopol - Free Wi Fi grid mesh network? (Conrad OHO)
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 12:27:04 -0700
> From: gandalf at sonic.net
> Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] EMF/EMR (was Re: Sebastopol Downtown WiFi
> To: "General NBLUG chatter about anything Linux, answers to questions,
> etc." <talk at nblug.org>
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> Ack. I hope I wasn't too frank here. I didn't mean to create a stir
> ether and I did not think that any of the geeks here would be
> offended by my views. I've just been watching the conflict happen
> over on the wacco bbs/newslist for a couple months. One electrical
> engineer posted a several page explanation of why this wi-fi was so
> much less of an issue than almost anything else electrical (microwave
> ovens, cell phones, tv/raido, etc...) but he was largely ignored. Also
> there is a decidedly one sided bent over there where there are regular
> petition drives but no drive for the opposition to be heard.
> I have for some time watched people get caught up in "the fight",
> whatever that fight may be. It turns into a sort of crowd mentality
> where even the flimsiest logic or none at all wins the day. Perhaps
> my strongest observances of this were anti-war protesters who where
> bussed into Santa Rosa. The group turned into a violent mob of
> vandals. Now just to keep things straight, I'm against the war. I was
> embarrassed by these peoples actions.
> On another occasion there were several statement on wacco by one of
> the heads of PETA. I dared to question those statements and was
> pretty much shunned. I found when I actually looked into the what was
> being touted that the numbers were hugely inflated and most of what
> was said was not true.
> I rather think that there is a rational that when one is knee deep
> in "the fight" facts are merely things to be bent to your use no
> mater what side your on. I also find that people in "the fight" tend
> to have their eyes glaze over weirdly. They make the hair stand up on
> the back of my neck.
> I hope that this doesn't upset anyone, that was not and is not my
> intent. I just try to think clearly.
> On Thu 03/13/08 10:23 AM , Christopher Wagner waggie at waggie.net
> sent:
> The fault is partially mine for using inflammatory vocabulary to
> begin
> with, although it did prompt quite a bit of fascinating information.
> :)
> My intention was not to spark uncivil behavior. I believe firmly in
>
> scientific process and proper experimentation. All hypotheses need
> to
> be both testable AND falsifiable. That's just elementary science.
> I
> believe that holding a civilized discussion is critical to
> scientific
> progress. We all know how uncivil behavior tends to derail
> collective
> efforts. :)
> Thanks for your input, everyone.
> - Chris
> Bob Blick wrote:
> > On Thu, 13 Mar 2008 09:44:25 -0700, "Scott Doty" said:
> >
> >> I agree, and that is why I addressed the issue civilly...
> >>
> >
> > I thought you had, yours was not the post that pushed me to write.
> But
> > there's no way I'm going to participate any more in this thread.
> >
> > Best of luck to you all :)
> >
> > Cheerful regards,
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
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> From: "Garland, David" <david.garland at medtronic.com>
> Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] Sebastopol
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> I just wish Sonic would do the same thing in Cloverdale. Us rednecks up
> north want free wi-fi too...
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> David
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> From: Molly Fisher <molly at fisher-studio.com>
> Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] Sebastopol
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> Yes we do!
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> Molly
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> On Mar 13, 2008, at 2:56 PM, Garland, David wrote:
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> > I just wish Sonic would do the same thing in Cloverdale. Us
> > rednecks up north want free wi-fi too...
> >
> > David
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> Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:41:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Conrad OHO <conradoho at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NBLUG/talk] Sebastopol - Free Wi Fi grid mesh network?
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> Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than I at NBLUG can comment on the
> workability of using a variation of this type of Wi-Fi grid mesh
> network for Sebastopol? Seems like the wireless field strength
> sufficient to cover the city would be dramatically reduced using this
> strategy, as compared to the Sonic.net proposal. AFAIK this would be
> essentially similar to the technology that the OLPC XO project is using
> for their local grid networking. Comments anyone?
> Conrad OHO
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> http://www.open-mesh.com/
>
> Plug & play Open-Source Mesh:
>
> Ideal for school/office campuses, hotels, apartments and towns: Just
> plug one of our tiny routers into a DSL or other internet connection
> and spread additional units around the locations where you want
> internet access. There is nothing you have to configure - just plug
> them in.
>
> Easy to grow: Adding additional routers extends the range and since any
> router can be plugged into the internet, you can add bandwidth where
> and when you need it.
>
> Complete control over your networks: Customize the SSID, splash Page
> (via our WYSIWYG/HTML editor), redirect URL and control how much
> bandwidth your users get - all from a free centralized web-based
> dashboard.
>
> Monitor your network's health: See how the network is performing, how
> many people are using it and how much bandwidth they are consuming.
>
> It's two wireless networks in one: A second encrypted network is
> available for your private or business use.
>
> Completely open-source: You can extend or modify the router's
> functionality. Never be at the mercy of what one company decides is
> right for you.
>
> Ad free: We will never push ads into your networks. You decide what, if
> any, content you want to display.
>
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