[NBLUG/talk] XDA Developer link and Signal updates

Tue Jun 21 19:42:17 PDT 2022

Hey Derek, et al.

Thanks for the link to the XDA developer forum for my device, I briefly 
poked around, but I'll dive deeper into it soon.

I have noticed Signal does things differently and your explanation fills 
in some of the gaps in what I observed. I use both the Signal mobile app 
and the desktop package for Ubuntu and Signal desktop is the only 
package I have on my laptop running Linux Mint 20.3 that has web updates 
and I can tell because the Linux Mint updater has a little globe icon to 
denote it, while every other update I see come up for every other 
package I have is either a security update (shield icon) or software 
update (arrow pointing up icon). Just because I noticed it does not mean 
I understood it though.

Thanks,

Brad

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> From: Brad Morrison<bradmorrison at sonic.net>
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> Subject: [NBLUG/talk] June NBLUG meeting summary
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> Hi all,
>
> Well, the June NBLUG meeting has come and gone. For those who didn't
> make it or for those who want to rehash the glorious conversations, here
> is my best recollection of events. I really need to take notes next time
> as waiting this long after the meeting to send out notes is like
> searching through a file cabinet trying to find a document that you
> can't quite remember the name to...
>
> LineageOS install: I gave an update on my progress and struggles with
> the installation of LineageOS (https://lineageos.org/) on my OnePlus 6T
> (https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy). I was able to get it up and
> running after a few delays due to the fcat that I had the
> T-Mobile/vendor firmware on the phone instead of the
> OnePlus/manufacturer firmware, which presented some installation
> problems. So I had to use payload-dumper-go to do something to the
> OnePlus OxygenOS software
> (https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016)
> and then install that before I could move on. My experience with asking
> for help on the LineageOS Libera.chat IRC service was OK - I got answers
> to my issues, but the only person in the chat that responded definitely
> made me feel like my questions were below him (not that anyone else was
> asking questions at the same times that I was) and wasn't hesitant about
> sharing his distaste for stupid/newbie questions. On the larger scale,
> experiences like that are a big part of why people that are not super
> knowledgeable tend to stick with corporate software. I've literally
> never had any paid customer service rep say/type anything like "I saw it
> and I ignored it" in response to my asking if he wanted me to repost my
> original question/situation. I was able to find and install the Signal
> APK (https://www.signal.org/) and F-Droid will be my next task.
> Surprisingly, it looked like Signal was not on F-Droid, when I did an
> app search for it (https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en  
> <https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en>).
>
> I briefly displayed the Turris Omnia open source router
> (https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/) that I bought a few years
> ago and have barely used since I got it, as most of the places I've
> lived in since have already had internet setups and the various
> roommates didn't want me messing with the established system. Turris
> (https://www.turris.com/en/) is a company out of the Czech Republic that
> produces open source networking products that are geared towards
> security minded folks - I just thought that they were cool and wanted to
> support their work. Turris is developed by the Czech Domain Registry
> (https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/). I've been surprised at how many
> open source products I have seen come out of the Czech Republic - which
> is impressive for a relatively small country.
>
> During the meeting, Brian was struggling with some installation
> difficulties with Fedora 35/36 (?), but a few people seemed to be able
> to help out with that.
>
> There was a small debate over whether Google was more evil than Amazon
> (that was brought up by a conversation about various app stores).
>
> I was surprised to be nominated and then elected to the NBLUG Board. I
> was sure I would have failed any kind of basic computer science exam,
> but thankfully there are no such requirements to be on the Board. The
> success of this campaign has already gone to my head and I'm thinking
> about parlaying my recent success and running for higher office. POTUS
> pays much better and 2024 might be my time - I'm over 35 and I was born
> in the USA!
>
> Finally, my interest in more Linux adoption didn't seem to get my
> traction, as one person pointed out that something like 90% of
> supercomputers use Linux, 70% of all websites use Linux
> (https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux), and most mobile
> phones run Linux. The desktop market is another story though, but other
> people reiterated how many people are using their phones for all/almost
> all of their computing. At least in my current work world (accounting),
> Linux isn't even an option as no good open source accounting software
> exists. And with almost every business doing at least some of their own
> bookkeeping, it locks lots of users into Microsoft's platform. Someone
> made the point that accountants love Excel and while I didn't really
> think about that before, I've definitely seen that at my workplace. We
> are in the process of transitioning CRM software from RedTail
> (https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/) to Salesforce
> (https://www.salesforce.com/) and so a lot of time lately has been
> devoted to pulling reports/data from RedTail and into Excel to be
> formatted/modified so that we can prep it for the move to Salesforce.
> The behemoth in financial/accounting software that we interact the most
> with is Intuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit) and we use both
> Lacerte and Quickbooks a lot.
>
> I have a friend that lives in Weaverville (in Trinity County, CA) and
> when I visited him several years ago, I was surprised to learn that the
> Trinity County public library in Weaverville uses a version of Linux on
> all of their public use library computers (although it was way out of
> date at the time - 2018). That got me thinking about approaching the IT
> manager of the Sonoma County Library system and I had met Nancy Trbovich
> (?) years before at some Access Sonoma Broadband
> (https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband) meeting. Nancy
> seems to have retired or moved on and now the IT manager for the Sonoma
> County library is Mike Dawe (https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe)
> - does anyone know him?
>
> OK, that's all I can recall - feel free to add to this list or continue
> any of these conversations if you're so inclined.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Brad
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> Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2022 09:02:16 -0700
> From: "Derek B. Noonburg"<derekn at foolabs.com>
> To:talk at nblug.org
> Subject: Re: [NBLUG/talk] June NBLUG meeting summary
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> Hey Brad,
>
> A couple of quick comments for you...
>
> You may have found this already, but for LineageOS I recommend checking
> the XDA forum occasionally.  There will be a specific thread for the
> latest version of LineageOS on each phone.  Here's the OnePlus 6T
> thread:
>
> https://forum.xda-developers.com/t/rom-official-fajita-12-lineageos-19.4437349/
>
> I've found it useful to check for known problems with specific weekly
> releases, etc.
>
> Signal on f-droid has a long and sordid history.  Signal is open source
> (though I've heard they don't always keep the public release up to
> date), but they (the Signal organization) don't like third party builds
> connecting to their servers.  I suspect there's more to that story, but
> I've never dug deeply enough to figure it out.  But yeah, the signal
> app isn't on f-droid, and I downloaded it from the signal web site.
>
> - Derek
>
>
> On Mon, 20 Jun 2022 04:52:37 -0700, Brad Morrison
> <bradmorrison at sonic.net>  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Well, the June NBLUG meeting has come and gone. For those who didn't
>> make it or for those who want to rehash the glorious conversations,
>> here is my best recollection of events. I really need to take notes
>> next time as waiting this long after the meeting to send out notes is
>> like searching through a file cabinet trying to find a document that
>> you can't quite remember the name to...
>>
>> LineageOS install: I gave an update on my progress and struggles with
>> the installation of LineageOS (https://lineageos.org/) on my OnePlus
>> 6T (https://www.oneplus.com/6t?from=buy). I was able to get it up and
>> running after a few delays due to the fcat that I had the
>> T-Mobile/vendor firmware on the phone instead of the
>> OnePlus/manufacturer firmware, which presented some installation
>> problems. So I had to use payload-dumper-go to do something to the
>> OnePlus OxygenOS software
>> (https://www.oneplus.com/global/support/softwareupgrade/details?code=PM1574156215016)
>> and then install that before I could move on. My experience with
>> asking for help on the LineageOS Libera.chat IRC service was OK - I
>> got answers to my issues, but the only person in the chat that
>> responded definitely made me feel like my questions were below him
>> (not that anyone else was asking questions at the same times that I
>> was) and wasn't hesitant about sharing his distaste for stupid/newbie
>> questions. On the larger scale, experiences like that are a big part
>> of why people that are not super knowledgeable tend to stick with
>> corporate software. I've literally never had any paid customer
>> service rep say/type anything like "I saw it and I ignored it" in
>> response to my asking if he wanted me to repost my original
>> question/situation. I was able to find and install the Signal APK
>> (https://www.signal.org/) and F-Droid will be my next task.
>> Surprisingly, it looked like Signal was not on F-Droid, when I did an
>> app search for it (https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en
>> <https://search.f-droid.org/?q=signal&lang=en>).
>>
>> I briefly displayed the Turris Omnia open source router
>> (https://www.turris.com/en/omnia/overview/) that I bought a few years
>> ago and have barely used since I got it, as most of the places I've
>> lived in since have already had internet setups and the various
>> roommates didn't want me messing with the established system. Turris
>> (https://www.turris.com/en/) is a company out of the Czech Republic
>> that produces open source networking products that are geared towards
>> security minded folks - I just thought that they were cool and wanted
>> to support their work. Turris is developed by the Czech Domain
>> Registry (https://www.nic.cz/page/357/kontakt/). I've been surprised
>> at how many open source products I have seen come out of the Czech
>> Republic - which is impressive for a relatively small country.
>>
>> During the meeting, Brian was struggling with some installation
>> difficulties with Fedora 35/36 (?), but a few people seemed to be
>> able to help out with that.
>>
>> There was a small debate over whether Google was more evil than
>> Amazon (that was brought up by a conversation about various app
>> stores).
>>
>> I was surprised to be nominated and then elected to the NBLUG Board.
>> I was sure I would have failed any kind of basic computer science
>> exam, but thankfully there are no such requirements to be on the
>> Board. The success of this campaign has already gone to my head and
>> I'm thinking about parlaying my recent success and running for higher
>> office. POTUS pays much better and 2024 might be my time - I'm over
>> 35 and I was born in the USA!
>>
>> Finally, my interest in more Linux adoption didn't seem to get my
>> traction, as one person pointed out that something like 90% of
>> supercomputers use Linux, 70% of all websites use Linux
>> (https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/os-linux), and most mobile
>> phones run Linux. The desktop market is another story though, but
>> other people reiterated how many people are using their phones for
>> all/almost all of their computing. At least in my current work world
>> (accounting), Linux isn't even an option as no good open source
>> accounting software exists. And with almost every business doing at
>> least some of their own bookkeeping, it locks lots of users into
>> Microsoft's platform. Someone made the point that accountants love
>> Excel and while I didn't really think about that before, I've
>> definitely seen that at my workplace. We are in the process of
>> transitioning CRM software from RedTail
>> (https://corporate.redtailtechnology.com/crm/) to Salesforce
>> (https://www.salesforce.com/) and so a lot of time lately has been
>> devoted to pulling reports/data from RedTail and into Excel to be
>> formatted/modified so that we can prep it for the move to Salesforce.
>> The behemoth in financial/accounting software that we interact the
>> most with is Intuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intuit) and we use
>> both Lacerte and Quickbooks a lot.
>>
>> I have a friend that lives in Weaverville (in Trinity County, CA) and
>> when I visited him several years ago, I was surprised to learn that
>> the Trinity County public library in Weaverville uses a version of
>> Linux on all of their public use library computers (although it was
>> way out of date at the time - 2018). That got me thinking about
>> approaching the IT manager of the Sonoma County Library system and I
>> had met Nancy Trbovich (?) years before at some Access Sonoma
>> Broadband (https://sonomaedb.org/current-initiatives/broadband)
>> meeting. Nancy seems to have retired or moved on and now the IT
>> manager for the Sonoma County library is Mike Dawe
>> (https://sonomalibrary.org/person/mike-dawe)
>> - does anyone know him?
>>
>> OK, that's all I can recall - feel free to add to this list or
>> continue any of these conversations if you're so inclined.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Brad
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